Friday, April 08, 2005

Some pictures from Falloja

Those are some pictures taken in Falloja city after the war there, they showed the amount of damage to some buildings in the city, mainly schools.
The students returned to school to complate their study.The sources from where I got these pictures are:
Electonic Iraq
Electronic Iraq 2












May be those are enough evidences about what the people of Falloja suffered.

31 comments:

waldschrat said...

Looking beyond Falluja, there was a recent article about child malnutrition in Iraq which can be found here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4413457.stm

It seems that although a UN report suggests there is more child malnutrition no than before the invasion this report is disputed. One claim is that vaccination programs have "improved dramatically" since the fall of Saddam.

Who shall we believe? Can you as a medical doctor tell us if children in Mosul are hungry and whether they have recieved proper vaccinations?

Ahmad said...

Sorry Truth Teller, but these pictures don't show what people suffered.

I am not saying that they didn't suffer; but all these pictures show evidence of war and fighting, nothing else. No one expect A town to be intact after fighting.

These pictures show a damaged school where fighting took place. No more, no less.

Anonymous said...

No one claimed there was no fighting or damage in Fallujah. I think we're all aware that there was extensive fighting (emphasis on the word fighting, meaning there were two sides involved). So now it's important to make sure the damages are repaired and rebuilt for the good people of Fallujah.

Anonymous said...

Ahmad.

First go see my blog today, I posted something in response to what you said.

Some links for you:

Please go through them... and then tell us with a straight face that Fallujah has not been nearly completely levelled and most of its' citizens displaced.

(Found these in about 5 minutes of flipping through images at Google.. keyword, fallujah.

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/fallujah_1120042.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/09/13/fallujah040913.html

http://www.underthesamesun.org/images/fallujah%20hospital.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/446384/Fallujah.gif (the bridge in the distance is where the american soldiers were burned and hung)

http://www.fallujah.us/photos/Fallujah-Pullout-2.jpg

http://www.fallujah.us/photos/Associated%20Press%20Dispatch%2011-13-04%20-%203.jpg

http://www.fallujah.us/photos/Associated%20Press%20Dispatch%2011-13-04%20-%205.jpg

http://www.fallujah.us/photos/Associated%20Press%20Dispatch%2011-13-04%20-%202.jpg

http://www.fallujah.us/photos/IRAQ_FALLUJAH_ANS122.JPG


Or you could read this:

http://207.44.245.159/article7413.htm

alright.. that's enough for now.

if you still don't believe it then you probably never will.

Anonymous said...

sorry.. the link didn't work to my blog I'll try again:

Murkyview.com

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8:52:24-

Your photo links show what we already know. No one denies there was massive fighting in Fallujah. Nobody denies that most of the citizens were displaced during the fighting. In fact, they were encouraged to displace so they wouldn't be in the crossfire when the fighting began. There was a huge fight in Fallujah. That's what a huge fight looks like.
Maybe you were expecting to see an amusement park?

Truth teller said...

waldschrat

As a medical doctor knowing about the situation of vaccination in Iraq. It was perfect before the war.
All the vaccines are available free to the whole population. Every 6 months groups of medics with different vaccines scan all the villages to vaccinate the people who couldn't consult the medical centers. but we don't hear about single trial to vaccinate people after the invasion. the cause is propably the security situation!. But no body could claimed that vaccination programs have improved a pit.

About the malnutrition: During the period 1991-2003, there were a program in which every single person (from the new burn to the very old) received a fixed amount of different food stuff (Wheat, vegetable oil, sugar, tea, beans, rice, milk powder, table salt, soap, and detergent powder) every month. The amount of these foods sections are insufficient for ordinary person, but it supported the poor families, and it did prevent malnutrition in Iraq to an acceptable level.
After the occupation, the program continues but the arrival of the food stuffs to the people is usually delayed for several months (the sections of most of the stuffs for Oct. Nov. and Dec.) of the last year didn't raech the people till now.(again the cause could be the security!).
In addition there are an inflation in the markets, propably the rich people didn't affected by it, but the poor certainly did.
For example: A can of ordinary baby milk was cost about 250 ID before the war. Now it cost about 5000 ID.

From this you can decide who should you believe.

Ahmad said...

Anon,

Like what anon 2 said; no one claim it was picnic and no one claims the city is intact. There was FIGHTING. The city require A LOT of rebuiling. Also, no one claimed people were not displaced, in fact, the US gave a warning specifically so that civilians leave the city, and many terrorist took advantage fo that warning and left too.

No one claiming that anything other than what these pictures show. And no one claiming that people didn't suffer, but these pictures DOESN'T show suffering, unless you are looking at something different.

Anonymous said...

"About the malnutrition: During the period 1991-2003, there were a program in which every single person (from the new burn to the very old) received a fixed amount of different food stuff (Wheat, vegetable oil, sugar, tea, beans, rice, milk powder, table salt, soap, and detergent powder) every month. The amount of these foods sections are insufficient for ordinary person, but it supported the poor families, and it did prevent malnutrition in Iraq to an acceptable level. "

So you're basically saying malnutrition was not a major problem during the "sanctions" period of 1991-2003?

Interesting. That's the opposite of what we've all been told over the years by anti-sanctions groups, peace groups and even UNICEF.

John said...

Ahmad/Casper you're not are very friendly ghost are you? You seem somewhat sceptical about the relationship between blown up buildings and people suffering, I'm sure the real Casper might have been a little friendlier and slightlky more compassionate! Maybe hopefully a little more insightful and able to make reasonable comments based on evidence, empirically verifiable and reasonable summations and conclusions. Is your ghost personna meant to reflect stupidity or naivety?

waldschrat said...

Thank you, Truth Teller, for the answers about vaccination and food distribution. I trust your report more than the report of the BBC, I think.

You mention security as a problem. Did security in Mosul become worse after Falluja? This is what I understand from the media, but your perception is probably more accurate.

Also, is there any real improvement in security in Mosul recently? Are Iraqis in Mosul becoming more safe or less safe? And do you see any benefit to security from recent meetings of the elected assembly? Is the political situation becoming more acceptable or less acceptable to most people in Mosul?

Anonymous said...

Hello truthteller,
I hate seeing this, I am embarrassed, aghast. 'They' said it had to be done...I objected at the time but here it is. A great injury has been done, how is the US not responsible for this mistake?

Maddog said...

I'm a little "unclear" here. Did the Americans go into Falluja to fight and kill civilians or to fight and kill insurgents? And... what is the political position of the insurgents? That has NEVER been made clear. Is it a return to the "good ole days" of Saddam, or a return to the days of Saddam without Saddam? If it were me I'd want neither. I'd like very much to know where you stand politically before I read any more of your "blog".

Truth Teller, tell me the meaning of your words "the situation of vaccination in Iraq. It was perfect before the war." Do you really know of what you speak? That goes completely against what the world now knows and understands.

Could you please identify which group of Iraqis, who, in the millions, voted (and risked their lives) for Democracy early this year, who now identify with what you are now beginning to publish on your "blog"?

I've got a sense of humor, as does everyone, but... I'm not buying the BS you are telling now.

Sorry.

John said...

maddog I am competely understanding of your confusion and inability to understand what your hearing now, given how it might conflict with your sense of reality and interpretation of the world and human condition in the face of America's efforts to democratize. liberalize, and eventually turn Iraq into a place you might feel safe in visiting!

My recommendation: Don't lose your sense of humour, seek therapy, perhaps professional intervention, focus on the millions of people who voted in Iraq, never lose touch with your dillusiuon of how military occupations are wanted appreciated and can transform a country in your own self image and you'll be fine!!

If not, and you can't buy into TruthTellers BS, just leave, swear a little, become petulant, annoyed, kick the dirt, but after all is said and done, just leave, who really cares what you think, if you're offended, bye, bye, see you, oh well, later Maddog, don't be offended but after all no one really could give a shit care or really feel saddened by what your problem is, Iraqis have enough problems without dealing with your sad shit so just leave...whewww..thanks for listening!!

Anonymous said...

I agree with maddog!

like all new democracies it will take work to restore what you have lost. Nobody said that there would not be damage and hard time. But what price are the iraqi people willing to pay for the freedom they wish for. In the end is it worth the lost buildings and lives to finally have the freedom you deserve. Americans have suffered the same lose as the Iraqi. We have sent innocent men and women to a land that is not theirs, to die for an idea that all iraqis deserve to be free. As you write in this blog you say and express your ideas freely.I wonder if you still lived under the rule of saddam if you would be so free with your expressions or if fear would temper your words. The photos you show are apart of your world, they are painful to look at and I know life is hard now, but the rewards of the struggle will be great for the iraqi people. And though some innocent lives will be lost on both sides, in the end you can enjoy the freedom that was paid for by the lives of our brothers!

Anonymous said...

truth teller,

Are you suggesting that your country was better off under the rule of saddam?

If U.S. were to pull out of your country tonight with in a week you all would be living under the rule of another dictator probably as bad if not worst than saddam.

But in my opinion if your country is so much worse now maybe they should free saddam and let him get it back to the good life you all enjoyed!

John said...

"I agree with Maddog", at least he has a name: " Like all new democracies": america defined their own democracy by ridding themselves of a foreign military occupation!.."it will take work to restore what you have lost": There is no possibility of restoring the Iraqi lives America has been responsible for taking, deads, dead, you're argument hollow and unworthy. "Nobody said there would not be damage and hard times": No one knew your obsession would include torturing prisoners, levelling cities and murdering defenseless civilians in cold blood!

"What price are the Iraqi's willing to pay!": Not the price being asked for by America! Nothing is worth this price! America's losses are their own responsibility. Iraqi's losses are America's responsibility! Americans should be held responsible for the atrocities committed on innocent Iraqis, their leaders and troops should be brought in front of an independent world tribunal: Similar to Nurenbourgh, they are accountable and should be tried as war criminals! Nothing can rationalize and justify the tyranny America has brought upon the Iraqi people, no one will ever enjoy your murderous conception of tyranny, leave Iraq now, lest everyone decides your own frail and fragile existence is worthy of military occupation and reprogramming!!

Anonymous said...

"We have sent innocent men and women to a land that is not theirs, to die for an idea that all iraqis deserve to be free."


I don't believe in the statements by Bush saying we are in Iraq to bring "freedom and democracy" any more than I believed the "Saddam has WMDs and is a threat to the USA" crap.

According to what Perle said the other day to the US Senate, they were fooled about the WMDs because of "double agents".... which means double agents are influencing and directing our federal government!

And no appologies from any damn one of them... to Americans or Iraqis! They don't give a rip who dies, as long as they make a bunch of money.

Don Cox said...

Similar picture from Saudi Arabia.

Shirin said...

"I think we're all aware that there was extensive fighting (emphasis on the word fighting, meaning there were two sides involved)."

Most of the destruction of the city of Falluja (a population of 300,000 qualifies Falluja as a city, not a town) was from over a month of daily bombings, followed up by weeks of bombing day and night, day and night. If that is what you like to call fighting with two sides involved, then you have a different concept of fighting than the rest of the world.

Hurria said...

"That goes completely against what the world now knows and understands."

No it doesn't. It goes only against what you have been told. What you know and understand about Iraq now or in the past is like a drop of water in an ocean - practically nothing.

Hurria said...

A few more words about the malnutrition issue, if our host will permit me.

Malnutrition increased drastically after 1990, as a result of the sanctions, particularly in children, who are the most vulnerable. Between 1990-1996 Chronic malnutrition increased about 60%, and acute malnutrition went up 275%. With the start of the oil for food program all forms of malnutrition began to decrease, until by 2002 they were nearly at the pre-sanctions levels. Now they have returned to the levels at the worst point of the sanctions, and will continue to increase.

This information comes from studies by UNICEF and is confirmed by other studies.

Hurria said...

"It seems that although a UN report suggests there is more child malnutrition no than before the invasion this report is disputed. One claim is that vaccination programs have "improved dramatically" since the fall of Saddam."

What have vaccinations to do with malnutrition rates, anyway? They are a separate matter and do not have an effect on malnutrition. What affects malnutrition rates is adequate diet, clean drinking water, and adequate sanitation to prevent infectious gastro-intestinal problems, especially diarrhea.

As for vaccination programs, there was a small effort to vaccinate children in the first weeks of the occupation, but they were terminated after a short time, and have not been resumed. So it is almost two years with no vaccination programs to speak of.

Hurria said...

"No one expect A town to be intact after fighting."

Yes, sure, Ahmad, it is quite normal for a "town" of 300,000 to be 70% destroyed, depopulated and virtually ininhabitable after fighting.

Hurria said...

"the US gave a warning specifically so that civilians leave the city"

How very kind and humane! The US gave a warning to civilians to leave the city before they leveled their homes, their businesses, their schools, their mosques, and virtually their entire city to the ground. The warned them to leave the city so that they could become permanent refugees without homes or even a city to live in.

What a lovely, lovely and humane country the US is!

Truth teller said...

not a dhimmi

you expecting that I will delete your comment. perhaps you know how silly it was. I will not argue with you. your post deserve nothing but deletion.

Anonymous said...

Those US Marines sure know how to make their point. I wonder why we don't see the evidence of the use of chemical weapons, napalm, depleted uranium shells, raped and massacred citizens that you passed off as unquestionable fact in an earlier post? I would sure like to see some evidence of all those wholesale atrocities we were supposed to weep about. Certainly it would tell the story so much better if you began your picture collection with the butchered Americans swinging from that bridge leading into Fallujah. An effective 'actions and their consequences' presentation, the whole conflict represented in pictures of one battle. C'mon "Truthteller"--this the best you can come up with to support those hysterical lies you associated yourself with? A man would have apologized for such lies by now. Especially if he had the gall to present himself as THE Truthteller.

Thankfully, the Marines and Army have not had to do the same in other cities of Iraq on such a large scale--cities like Mosul. The people of Fallujah aren't dancing around the burned and dismembered bodies of US citizens any more, and I doubt they'd tolerate such behavior in their community--not openly anyway. The pacification of Fallujah was a great object lesson for all of the Middle East. This crazy fanaticism isn't working out so good. Those numbers seeking martyrdom seem to be on the decline all over. The majority who tolerate or fear the jihadists gotta figure they better fear US Marines more than the religious nuts. In the twisted and irrational and backward culture that seems to dominate there, cowardice and self preservation seem to drive more rational thought in most. It is a shame you folks have let your world come to this over the last few centuries. Even a bigger shame that the world's supply of oil upon which we have come to depend is sitting below that land. Otherwise the culture there would have to depend more upon the talents of its people and freedom of thought to at least maintain some remnant of dignity, and perhaps thrive and contribute something of worth to the rest of the world. Or fail utterly and completely in which case the rest of the world could condescendingly ignore it as it would richly deserve.

Lynn in the US said...

Zoellick spent an hour with Fallujah's interim city council leaders at a secure military compound in the heart of the city. He wore a business suit — with a flak jacket beneath it.


At first, Council Chairman Shaik Khalid Hamood Mahel al Jumaly, thanked the United States and praised the U.S. Marines for ridding the city of insurgents.

Anonymous said...

I would really like to know how you consider vaccinations and and malnutrition such an issue in mosul, I went to the mosul medical center the other day to check on medical suplies that were donated, and I have to say that corruption is the key ingrediant to a failing medical system...same goes for the food banks...blame Mohamed Shakara for that one. I to live in mosul, I think the problems here are the fault of the terrorist and criminals not the Americans.

Truth teller said...

anonymous@12:11:44

If you read what I said carefully, you will notice that I considered the vaccination and malnutrition are warse than before. Notice that you go to check for medical supplies that were DONATED !!!!!!. Iraq now be worthy of donation from others !!!! What a shame.
The fault of whom, is the only thing you could argue about.
It is one of two:
1-It is the Americans fault, as they are the responsible of every thing here, samll or big. No thing done without their permission.
2-It is because of the Americans. As far as it was better before their "intention to impose freedom and democracy". Which make Iraq a field for the terrorists, who come from every where to fight America.
The terrorists and their crimes are the result of the occupation. What ever they do is because of the occupation.

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