Those days are really bad, here in Mosul, there are many accidents of kidnapping, killing and hijacking.
Before a couple of days, a neighbor's son which is 30 years old, married and have 4 children was kidnapped from his shop in the most crowded street in Mosul. Today before noon they found his body with two bullets in his head.
Yesterday, just in front of my clinic, a car hijacked in the middle of the day.
Few hours later a body of two dead guys were found 100 m. From my clinic.
This morning at 6:30 about 50 explosions heard, later we knew they were a mortar bomb against an American base. One mortar bomb fell on the house of my close friend's brother, thanks God no body hurt in the house.
The most striking thing is the car hijacking, it is aimed at a certain car mark (BMW). The stolen cars leave the city toward the north. According to police Officer, more than 70 hijacked car a day. One of the incident the thieves were knocking the door of the house and when they open the door they threatened them with gun, either to die or let the thieves take the car. From their accent, they were probably a Kurds from Sulaimanyia.
There is a big shortage of gasoline those days. The line of cars at the gasoline stations may reach several kilometers. The price of gasoline at the black market is 10 folds its original price.
The electricity is very bad, it comes twice a day for max. Two hours each time, the neighborhood generator is stop working because there is no diesel fuel.
The water supply for domestic use is un sterilized, it is highly contaminated, and unsuitable for human use.
Even the air is polluted from the smoke of the old cars, the diesel machine of the generators, and etc.
This is our condition two years after the iberation/occupation.
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On the plus side the weather forcast says nights may be a little cooler starting Monday.
It sounds so horrible, so scary. I'm sorry that you & you're family are living this way. :(
Hurria, I only offered a small hope gleaned from the weather forcast for Mosul. It is all I HAD to offer. What you read into it is your own perception.
Because of the insurgents blowing up pipelines and smugglers tapping into them, the people are caught between a rock and a hard place. When someone described Iraq as the Wild West they weren't far off.
I am sorry to hear about all the problems you are having in Mosul these days. It must make you feel really shaken up to have this sort of thing happening all around you.
Hurria - on top of my other sins, the weather man lied to me about Monday night, I think. Perhaps Tuesday night?
"You did not do anything for us."
That is correct. We did not do anything for hard-core baathists or Saddam loyalists.
Thank you exadios for that introduction.
maybe these people?
exadios,
No electricity down south? Hmmm, maybe you should mention that to these people:
"Fao itself is like many southern Iraqi cities--a collection of widely dispersed pre-fab=fab cement blockhouses, separated by large fields of scrubby plants, concrete debris and trash. In the "center" of town stands a deserted amusement park, its ferris wheel inert, the other rides rusting and inoperable. Since it's Friday, almost no one's working, and the heat made even the fishermen--their colorful skiffs, canoes and boats crammed together in crowded berths--seek the relative cool of the shade. Meanwhile, on the horizon east of the city, three huge pillars of black smoke rise into the thin blue sky, marsh fires erupting on the Iranian side of the Shatt-al-Arab.
In a small room inside building bearing the English sign "Educational Union," Layla and I meet with the town notables. Unlike most Iraqis I've met, they are surprisingly upbeat: security in the town is excellent, they have 24-hour electricity, water is okay--their only real problem, in fact, is unemployment, but a new port expansion project, set to begin within a few months, promises to remedy that situation."
Please note, exadios, the statement about security being excellent. Perhaps that has a little to do with the other issues?
Hurria,
And our objectives would be....? No, no, wait, I know! The control of all of the middle east oil? Did I guess right?
Exadios,
My apologies. The Fao quote came from . It is not mentioned in the Basra article, but is referenced at the bottom.
"Are you suggesting a Fao led recovery for Iraq?"
Why not? Everyone has to start somewhere.
Without security there can be no reconstruction. The people who support those who blow up innocent civilians, destroy pipelines, kill government officials, threaten voters etc. because of their fear of U.S. motives contribute to the chaos. Do you see the problem?
Hurria,
Is it not true that the ones who benefited the most from Iraq's oil were Saddam and his supporters?
Is it not true that some of the countries that opposed the U.S. led coalition's invasion of Iraq benefited from economic ties to Saddams government?
Is it not true that the U.S. could simply support lifting sanctions from Iraq and BUY the oil?
Is it not true, that the use of civilians in Iraq as human shields by insurgents, is done because they do NOT CARE AT ALL for the well being of Iraqis?
Is it not true, that the use of civilians as human shields by insurgents, is because they think that WE DO?
If we only become involved in a country militarily because they have oil, then please tell me when they discovered oil in Afghanistan?
Bruno,
Well hello there. I haven't seen your scintilating keystrokes for awhile! I'm sorry, too many comments too little time. I will be back to respond at a later time.
Ooops! I can see I forgot an ending command or something in my link for Exadios. Sorry about that! If you click on any of the blue you will be able to see where the Fao quote came from.
Bruno,
In the interests of fair play, let us read a little more of Hanna Batatu's writing (from the same source):
"Be that as it may, it is necessary, in the interest of truth, to bring out that, insofar as the names and addresses of Communists are concerned, the Ba`athists had ample opportunity to gather such particulars in 1958-1959, when the Communists came wholly into the open, and earlier, during the Front of National Unity Years – 1957-1958 – when they had frequent dealings with them on all levels. Besides, the lists in question proved to be in part out of date."
Now, I have never claimed that the United States was the embodiment of perfection. Far from it. However, we are not the evil geniuses that the conspiracy theorists portray us as.
I think we subscribe more to the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" type of thinking. It is perhaps not always wise.
But I think maybe it is a way of thinking that is common. You only have to look at the alliances some people in Iraq seem to have made to see that. People who think of the United States as their enemy may then assume that al-Qaida is their friend. It is an assumption that may not be wise either.
Hurria and Bruno,
Regarding the current state of affairs of the security forces. Given enough time their start up could have been done more thoughtfuly and carefuly. But unfortunately we were not given the luxury of time. You may thank the insurgents and perhaps the impatience of the MSM for that.
Which Ba'athists in the ministries are you referring to, Hurria?
I am personally amazed at all the media liners being tossed around in these comments. As if ANYONE can really get a handle on what's happening in Iraq and why. The average 'person on the street' in Europe or America has no clue what's happening behind closed doors. People in America rant and rave against republicans, but the democrats MUST share blame for playing the game of politics as well...in the UK, people rave against Tony Blaire for this or that...and then we all complain that the media isn't giving us the whole truth - then we take what the media spits out to us and use it in all our arguments. That's just sad.
Truth Teller,
I'm sorry for the hard life you & your family have in 'liberated' Mosul. Try to keep safe in these dangerous times; but, God willing, the brainless invaders will be pushed out of Iraq soon.
It seems that our warmongering American friends are getting more and more desperate & incoherent, as witnessed above by the absolutely inane jibe by the Beast in Minnesota about "hard-core baathists or Saddam loyalists", or by the appalling insular sillyness of Dan about you as "an Iraqi liberal".
@Lynnette:
What is a 'baathist or Saddam loyalist'? Could you tell us? Who is, and who isn't? Or is the soubriquet 'baathist or Saddam loyalist' just your definition of all those, all around the world, who oppose your mindless Iraqi adventure? And, if the silly tag of 'baathist or Saddam loyalist' is instead to be applied only to Iraqis who oppose your beastly occupation, could you please be more detailed on what it means?
@Dan:
What is, in the name of God, an "Iraqi liberal"? And what is a "liberal", first of all?
I do strongly suspect that from your oh so civilised neck of the woods (LOL) in the States you have absolutely no clue to the very meaning, in what is officially your own language (English, albeit of the Ahmehwican variety), of the word 'liberal'. Please, tell us, what is a 'liberal'? And what is an "Iraqi liberal"?
You warmongering US critters should at least agree beforehand, among yourselves, on the terminology... (but, maybe, your intellectual abilities are not up to the task).
@Dan, 6/23/2005 06:07:11 AM & 06:11:36 AM.
I wrote: "maybe, your intellectual abilities are not up to the task".
It is very nice to have what one suspects confirmed so quickly; thank you, Dan!
Next one will be better
If you want more, check out:
http://www.crewkoos.blogspot.com
"You warmongering US critters..."
US critters??
Oh Italian, you have such a colorful way with a phrase!
Steven Vincent
In the Red Zone:
"the Sunnis fight to free themselves from foreign "occupation!" Really? Think for a moment what would happen if America were to do as the Sunnis claim they wish: withdraw from Iraq. Into the vacuum would pour Shia and Kurdish militias, eager to avenge decades of oppression and the death of hundreds of thousands of their kinsmen--and the continuing violence the Sunni "insurgents" inflict upon their people Shia and Kurdish memories are long and they are drenched in blood. The Sunni's make up 20 percent of the population. Who would win?
This fundamental fact is missed by all who blame the U.S. for the "insurgent" violence: the Americans stand between the Sunnis and the militias of those whom they oppressed for decades. Or, to put it another--bleaker--way: it is the American presence that protects the Sunnis, even as it allows them to attack and kill our troops. This is tribal warfare at its most tragic, most pointless, most nihilistic. The Sunni leadership brought it on and they have maintained it for no rational or legitimate purpose."
Truth teller,
Any comment on this?
lynnette in minnesota
"Into the vacuum would pour Shia and Kurdish militias, eager to avenge decades of oppression and the death of hundreds of thousands of their kinsmen."
Before the invasion, there were no any problem between the Sunni & the Shia or between the Sunni & the Kurds. In fact most of the Kurds are Sunni. The oppression against some section of the Shia and the Kurds are for political reasons, and was by Saddam and the Baathies not by the Sunni. If you look to the Baath party, you see more than 70% of them were Shei. The southern governorates of Iraq were the most loyal to Saddam. So don't try to assume it is a problem between the Iraqis themselves, it is all made by the invasion and by those who came to Iraq on the back of the American tanks, in association whith the propaganda of the western media. The American present is not protecting the Sunnis but it provoked the sensitivity between the Sunni and the Shia.
BTW In my openion, if the Americans want to stay in Iraq for a long time, They should change their attitudes with the Sunnis. Because the Sunnis will never accept the oppression of the Americans. In addition the Shia will not stay a loyal allies to the American for ever.
"The Sunni leadership brought it on and they have maintained it for no rational or legitimate purpose."
There were no Sunni leadership what so ever, Sunni is not a party or a tribe, and not a political movement. They are just Muslims, follow the instructions of their religion, obey the Quraan and what the prophet Mohammad said.
@Stukasdad, 6/24/2005 04:35:00 AM.
You wrote, "the conscience of the ruling class is not offended. Seems those protected classes dominate the internet, which makes sense as they have the most money and therefore access".
Dear Stukasdad (and all ignorant Americans, moronic Moron99 and Beast in Minnesota included), it seems that it doesn't occur to you that in Iraq an educated, rather 'modern' middle & upper class did exist decades before Saddam came to power. It did comprise people from all denominations and ethnic groups. They weren't necessarily 'Saddamists' before, nor are they 'Saddamists' now. Some, having jobs in the civil service, where subjected to pressure to get the Baathist party card, like in analogous European regimes from the Thirties: and this, again, does not mean that they were, or are, Baathist (the Baath party had on the whole about three million card-carrying members, out of a population of about 25; but Baath membership never coincided with the educated classes).
The identity 'educated classes = Baath party' is just a figment of your binary thinking (which human children generally grow out of by the age of seven), and of the latest propaganda line some genius in the States invented ('S**t! Those damn Iraqi bloggers turned against us! So them are all Baathists, that's why!'), and that the most disingenuous or gullible or both among you spread without shame (like all the previous lies, 'interpretations', and clownish propaganda).
It seems that you don't realise that this latest bit of grotesque sillyness on your part (just like all the preceding ones) makes every Iraqi having access to the Internet laugh like mad; and it has the same effect, I can tell you, on all those people from the rest of the world who have got the slightest idea about Iraq, its reality and its history.
Having disposed of this bit of clownery on all the educated Iraqis being Baathist, now we are waiting with anxiety for the next preposterous trick of your propaganda (or party line; the difference between the propaganda of Saddam and US propaganda being that, while the first made nearly all Iraqis laugh, and the second makes all the world laugh, most of you poor Americans, unfortunately, believe your own propaganda like if it were gospel!).
Dear Truth Teller,
I have a humble prayer to address to you.
The brightest, most intelligent and informed, most polite and most courteous of our warmongering American posters, Dan, complains about being ‘censored’ (“I have been censored again. ‘Truth Teller’ obviously wants some information kept off this blog”, Dan, 6/24/2005 02:17:21 PM).
Please, Truth Teller, don’t delete his ‘comments’ (LOL!) from now on. Don’t ‘keep off’ from all readers the most important bit of “information”…. i.e. the real SNOUT of America, revealed for all the world to see!
To leapfrog on StrykerDad's post...
If you really value freedom, liberty and individual rights, YOU going to have to fight for them. Freedom is never free. Farmers with old guns fouhgt off the British in our revolution 230 years ago. Frankly, we Americans do not see Iraqis willing to fight for their freedoms. Yes, the Iraqi army is getting on its feet, but they can't do it without you. The terrorists can only operate in your country if the citizens acquiesce, which seems to be the case.
As painful as it sounds, the Iraqi people need to get off their asses and fight with the Americans and Iraqi army against terrorism and fundamentalism.
I only wish you well, and desperately want Iraq to be a prosperous and peaceful nation.
We are with you, but you must also stand up for yourselves the best you can.
@Stukasdad, 6/24/2005 06:21:13 PM.
Only those Iraqis (like Truth Teller and Hurria), whom you accuse of complicity in Saddam's crimes (!),can answer you properly.
But there is something slightly illogical in your post, and even anybody who is not Iraqi can see it immediately.
Beings like you and all your crowd of fanatical American Saddamists keep ranting about the crimes of Saddam's regime, inflating the number of its victims, like if they were ANY excuse for the crimes you have been committing in Iraq.
So, who were the people Saddam's regime imprisoned and killed? Were they all Kurds and illiterate Shiites?
Don't you suspect, my simpleminded Ahmehwican, that possibly many of the victims of the regime belonged precisely to the educated middle and upper classes?
Truth teller,
Thank you for your thoughts on that piece.
"Before the invasion, there were no any problem between the Sunni & the Shia or between the Sunni & the Kurds."
Then there should be no problems with them working together to write a fair and just constitution that protects the rights of all the Iraqi people.
Like Moron99, I too am curious as to your opinion on who is killing the Sunni's? And their motive?
"..nothing is more simplistic than the hate America crowd. It is their answer to all the world's problems and a deflection of all responsibility from themselves. And they get to pretend to be oh so smart while arrogantly doing it! At least they can be amusing on some level."
Strykerdad,
Wiser words have never been spoken. They deserve repeating.
@Atkinson, 6/24/2005 09:31:40 PM.
I'm not Iraqi, but believe I can comment your sanctimonious, patronising homily to the Iraqis ("If you really value freedom, liberty and individual rights, YOU going to have to fight for them. Freedom is never free").
Yes, of course: that's precisely why an increasing number of Iraqis, of all classes and creeds, are joining against overwhelming odds the Iraqi resistance, to throw out of their country your beastly troops and their minions, and to achieve freedom.
"the Iraqi people need to get off their asses and fight with the Americans".
No, poor deluded advocate of US invasions and war crimes, let's rewrite your sentence like this: "the Iraqi people need to get off their asses and fight THE Americans"; then it will make some sense!
Just today, at least six of your apes-at-arms, the cowardly US Marines, were blown to smithereens in Fallujah.
Do you remember what your propaganda was saying last November? That you needed to destroy Fallujah in order to stamp out Iraqi 'terrorism' (i.e., those who resist your demented occupation)!
What are you going to do now? Are you going to flatten Fallujah a second time? Your plans in Iraq have already been defeated, precisely by the courageous stance of many Iraqis.
Are you in denial and delusional, poor 'Atkinson'?
Reality is there, and all the world sees it.
I am not Iraqi, nor American. I was born in Germany and now live in the UK.
Germany's been "occupied" by American troops for the last 60 years. They aren't "beasts" in my personal experience. Germany's done rather well under US "occupation", and "resistance" is exceedingly limited.
In fact, even resistance against Soviet occupation was overwhelmingly non-violent. None of my relatives blew himself up as a suicide bomber.
I am not sure about truthteller's position on the use of violent resistance. However, I do not see, how it can at present help ordinary Iraqis in any way, shape or form.
Think of Afghanistan and Eastern Germany or Poland. Afghanistan got years and years of civil war after getting rid of Russian troops, Eastern Germany and Poland fought for freedom with basically no violence.
@moronic Moron99, 6/25/2005 01:00:22 AM.
First of all, as John noticed, the US have no rights whatsoever to invade a country and impose its will on its inhabitants, even if its will were for the best things in the world.
Second, what you write about this Iraqi Interim Government made up of sectarian gangsters (al-Jaafari, al-Hakim and al-Sadr), mafia bosses (Talebani and Barzani), crooks (Chalabi) and charlatans (al-Yawer), with the loyal opposition of precisely Baathist thugs (Allawi), all of them of appalling incompetence, and about the way the Iraqi population sees them, is completely false.
It would be enough for you to read some Iraqi sources in English (for instance www.azzaman.com) to see that what you write is just your wishful thinking... but you are a notorious liar, so the point is moot.
"Unfortunately, the baathi power base was amoung the Sunni".
Not just a liar, but an incompetent liar as well.
Saddam's power base was his cronies, his relatives and tribe in Tikrit, who happened to be Sunni. But, as anybody that has any idea about Iraq knows, most of the members of the Baath party were Shiites (surprise, surprise!), including Ramadan, one of the top leaders.
This sectarian and ethnic division of the Iraqis in Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds is just your ignorant US propaganda, aimed at dividing and conquering the Iraqis: it has no basis in reality.
@heiko, 6/25/2005 01:33:21 AM.
You are making an empty comparison between situations that cannot be compared, having very little in common.
Germany was occupied by the Americans and by the Soviets because it had tried, under Hitler, to conquer the world (like the US Neo-Cons are planning to do now).
The Germans, having been the aggressors, having followed the genocidal Hitler, and having been defeated in a bloody world war, were in no condition to 'resist', and had no moral right to 'resist' occupation.
Your comparison between post-1945 Germany and post-2003 Iraq is just comical.
@hitech luddite, 6/25/2005 09:37:44 AM.
"Why oh why would Kurds, the people from the one part of iraq that is stable come to mosul and steal a car? I realize there are kurdish theives but your comment sounds like unfounded tribalism and you as an educated man should know better".
No, Luddite, it is you who should know better, and educate yourself. About the whole traffic of stolen cars and goods from Baghdad northwards is run by the Kurds, with the oversight of the two mafia gangs, disguised as political parties, the Kurds unfortunately chose as their leaders. Even the lootings of April 2003 were to a great extent committed by organised Kurdish gangs that swarmed into Baghdad according to a pre-arranged plan.
Most of the economy of Iraqi Kurdistan is based on illicit traffickig and smuggling to Turkey.
Do, please, inform yourself better.
Dan
"This is an international forum, obviously. I have said some very pointed things. I have had some of them deleted by the sponsors of this blog.
If my input were so nasty as to be deleted then, certainly, I have made a point and touched some nerves."
You have the right to know why I deleted your post..
Read with me:
"Yea, yea...It is obviously the fault of us Americans. We got rid of Saddam for you and now there are 25,000,000 whining Iraqis who are unable and unwilling to kill 10,000 thugs.
You outnumber them 2,500 to 1 and still want someone to protect you from them.
---Dan
Posted by Dan to A Citizen Of Mosul at 6/21/2005 07:11:40 AM "
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" Schrodinger is a dishonest idiot and a tyrant's fool.
--Dan
Posted by Dan to A Citizen Of Mosul at 6/21/2005 07:18:02 AM
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"PS.
I am an honorably discharged veteran of the United States Army.
If you don't want my opinions then get off the Internet with yours.
---D.
Posted by Dan to A Citizen Of Mosul at 6/21/2005 10:03:25 PM
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" Truth Teller. You are a liar and a coward. You do not believe in freedom.
These statements are evidenced by the fact that you deleted my comments.
Reap the whirlwind bitch.
---Dan
Posted by Dan to A Citizen Of Mosul at 6/22/2005 09:18:38 PM
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"I have more things to do with my time than to get censored by a disgruntled and disillusioned Iraqi liberal.
"Truth Teller" is NOT the only blog in Mosul that I communicate with.
---Dan
Posted by Dan to A Citizen Of Mosul at 6/22/2005 10:10:42 PM "
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" Yes, Hurria, you ARE scum...the SCUM OF THE EARTH.
I hope that some of your terrorist buddies kill you, preferably by cutting your head off on video while chanting "Alihu Akbar."
---Dan
Posted by Dan to A Citizen Of Mosul at 6/23/2005 06:07:11 AM "
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" An Italian: I don't think anything good has come from Italy since pepperoni pizza. Perhaps you would like Mussolini back.
---Dan
Posted by Dan to A Citizen Of Mosul at 6/23/2005 06:11:36 AM "
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So what you think..??
BTW I have copies of all your posts. If you want I can post them!
an italian
"Truth Teller, don’t delete his ‘comments’ (LOL!) from now on. Don’t ‘keep off’ from all readers the most important bit of “information”…. i.e. the real SNOUT of America, revealed for all the world to see!"
Tank you italian I will do what you asked.
You misunderstand what I am saying "Italian". Germany, today!, is "occupied" by US troops. There are 70,000 or so, I believe, in the country. It's been occupied for 60 years, not just by US but also by Soviet troops.
The troops in the country today are often the same people as the ones in Iraq, they are being rotated regularly.
So, that's my first point. From personal experience, I haven't made the experience that these troops are "beasts" or that "occupation" is bad for Germany today.
Secondly, I was making a point about what "resistance" is effective. Poland didn't invade any other countries. Yet, it behaved in just the same way Germany did after WWII.
One can reasonably argue that they had a "right" to resist first the Nazi and then the Stalinist occupier, but that fails to readily answer another question, namely what are the best means to do so.
So, my second point is in summary that whatever you think about the "occupation", it is wisest to oppose it, if you wish to oppose it, by largely peaceful means. The cost benefit ratio of violent resistance in Iraq just doesn't seem right virtually no matter how you look at it.
Violence is only ok, if it is both well intentioned and effective at transforming these intentions into reality.
If the aim of the resistance were a free and peaceful Iraq, I don't see how these noble motives can be transformed into reality through virtually any violent means at their disposal.
One other example I cited here is Afghanistan in the 80's. Resisting Soviet occupation was kind of successful in terms of eventually getting Russian troops out, but it was hardly successful in terms of making the country a better place for its people.
John Paul II didn't use violence either against Hitler or against Stalin, but what he did do was much more effective than the violent means chosen by many in Chechnya, Northern Ireland, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, or now in Iraq.
Attention, Attention,
Urgent help needed
The sound of an Iraqi doctor, shouting to the whole world:
“Listen…we witnessed crimes in the west area of the country of what the bastards did in Haditha and Al-Qa’im. It was a crime, a really big crime we have witnessed and filmed in those places and recently also in Fallujah. We need big help in the western area of the country. Our doctors need urgent help there. Please, this is an URGENT humanitarian request from the hospitals in the west of the country. We have big proof on how the American troops destroyed one of our hospitals, how they burned the whole store of medication of the west area of Iraq and how they killed a patient in the ward…how they prevented us from helping the people in al-Qa’im. This is an URGENT Humanitarian request. The hospitals in the west of Iraq ask for urgent help…we are in a big humanitarian medical disaster…”
Any one who can help, please do it now.
To the Americans who claimed they are here for help, it is the time to prove yourselves.
The only info on conditions at Al Qaim Hospital which I could find searching Yaho's news files is in the following pictures taken June 12.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050612/481/bag12106121403
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050612/481/bag11806121401
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050612/481/bag12006121355
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050612/481/bag11906121337
The photos suggest that the hospital was operational and undamaged as of that date.
I hope I may be pardoned in suspecting tht doctors do not always recieve accurate reports regarding the cause of their patient's injuries. Yet they see the injuries, and know with certainty tht people have been hurt.
What was the source of this plea you have transmitted, Truth Teller?
@heiko, 6/25/2005 05:43:17 PM.
About your first two paragraphs: they have nothing at all to do with Iraq. As I told you in my previous answer to you, comparing the US occupation of Germany and the US invasion and present occupation of Iraq is just comical. And even in places, like Germany or Italy, where there are US bases, it is nothing resembling the Iraq of today in general terms (those US troops are not going around the streets of Germany or Italy freely killing German or Italian civilians, like they are doing in Iraq). But, anyway, even this kind of 'gentle' occupation creates problems from time to time: like here, in Italy, when some few years ago (1997) some happy American pilots, being a bit, let's say, 'over-happy', cut the cable of one of those turistic things in Cermis, killing 20 (twenty) people, and there was no way to bring them to justice; or when two years ago three of them, from the base of Aviano (where about 100 US WMDs, or atomic warheads, are stored), raped an Italian girl, and there was no way the Italian investigators could question them.
As far as Poland goes, my dear 'heiko', first of all: they DID resist the Nazi occupation big time, in arms, up to the Warshaw insurrection of 1944, with hundreds of thousand people killed. Second, they waged a guerrilla war against the Soviet occupation up to 1956 (1956! what uninformed crap are you spewing, 'heiko'?), with tens of thousand people killed.
The result was, in the second phase of the struggle, against the Soviets, that the occupiers had to change tack completely, in 1956, in order to get some 'compromise'.
As far as Iraq goes, I do feel that all Iraqis who do not like the US occupation and rape of their land (BTW, Mesopotamia is one of the main cradles of human civilisation, and the very cradle of Western civilisation: so that when I see what these American apes are doing there, my blood just boils) should create a political front for their resistance against these inhuman invaders; and that they should use all means of struggle, peaceful AND armed, precisely like the Polish nationalists did, in order to throw out of their country these most beastly Americans.
You are quoting our Holy Father, John Paul the Second; sorry 'heiko', during the Second World War he was a member of that great movement of Polish resistance that threw, in arms as well, together with all the free peoples of the world, the Nazis out!
One has to coordinate political struggle, and armed struggle, in order to achieve freedom: and the US troops of today are not much nicer than the Nazi troops of sixty years ago...
@Dan, 6/25/2005 07:56:38 PM.
"I was 6 years old and living in Texas when JFK got his head blown off in Dallas in a public execution that has gone un-punished to this day".
Now, my most intelligent American Dan, I do confess that the 'hidden link' does, sort of, escape me: what the heck has the (US) conspiracy that killed JFK (i.e., John Fitzgerald Kennedy) got to do with Iraq???
When it happened, I was seven, and everybody here in Northern Italy was commenting about that further 'strange coincidence', Jack Ruby killing Lee Oswald.
OK, Dan, who killed JFK? Was it the 'Islamofascists', Dan? Was it 'them eeevil Ay-rab Ragheads & Sandniggers'? Was it the effing 'Jihadis' whatsoever, or them eeeevil 'Baathists'? Or, generally, those most eeeeevil 'Eyrakians'?
Yes, I do confess that I'm a (rather logical) conspiracy theorist, Dan: I do suspect that the same crowd who did kill JFK did do 9/11.
So, yes, in some way, you are right: those (American) criminals who killed JFK (and about 160 witnesses in just one year after that) are the same who engineered 9/11.
Were they 'Baathist', 'Islamofascist', or whatever, Dan? No, of course, they were American criminal bastards: your effing pals, me man Dan! Possibly, your Neo-Con brothers.
I do share your concern about the JFK assassination (and, five years later, the assassination of his brother): but what the heck it has got to do with the US invasion & occupation of Iraq?
Could you, please, show in what way the Iraqis were accomplices in the JFK assassination?
Dan, my plea to you is: just go and punish!
Your are an ex-serviceman, you have got the gear.
Every Neo-Con, or FBI man or woman, or CIA, or NSA, or Secret Service you meet, put one into his/her head; possibly you won't get those who killed the Kennedys, but them bastards are their accomplices, for sure.
@Stukasdad, 6/25/2005 09:14:50 PM.
Oh yeah, you see the way we stupid human beings are.
In the last twentyfour hours, I was thinking: 'What, if one of the two (son & daughter) this idiot criminal Stukasdad has got in Iraq is one of those who were blown up by the Iraqi resistance yesterday? It would be very cruel to keep calling him the names he rightly deserves; I'll have to tell him that I'm sorry for his loss'.
From now on, Stukasdad, be sure that I won't extend any condoleances if one or both of your spawn are blown to very little pieces by the Iraqi resistance. They just deserved it, since they have got an idiotical father.
Be sure that all videos Truth Teller mentions will be released: but you animals will just poof-poof them, so what?
@Hurria, 6/25/2005 11:28:30 PM.
"Actually, no, Italian, the Kurds did not ever choose Barzani and Talibani as their leaders. Most Kurds if they could choose freely, they would not choose these two bloody, brutal, corrupt dictators, who are more like Saddam than like democratic leaders".
Dear Hurria, I'd love to think that these two bastards, Barzani and Talebani, these two cherryes from the same evil tree, were NOT chosen by the Kurdish population. I did see that there were, at least in the ballot box, alternatives, including some genuine all-Kurds movement, like the PKK.
Now Hurria, maybe I got it wrong: the Iraqi Kurds just voted the two bunches of mafiamen because they were the 'official', US-approved, face of an independent 'Land of the Kurds'. I'm quite sure that any hope put into the parties (or mafia gangs) of the two bastards will come to nothing: both of the mafia bosses leading the whole thing were not just betrayed many times by their foreign allies, but they betrayed each other, and with the open help of the 'evil enemies'!
This is, indeed, a tragedy: a real national Kurdish movement should, as a first thing, get rid of these mafia clans.
But, Hurria, there was, anyway, a damn ballot box: how it was that more than 80 % of the Iraqi Kurds voted for these two gangs of mafiamen, the KDP and the PUK? I do imagine that most Kurds of Iraq thought: 'OK, KDP & PUK are just two loads of criminals, but they are the only way we can register here'.
So the thing is quite troublesome; while hating the US invaders of Iraq (and their fake elections), I cannot be sure, as far as the Kurds go...
@ the moronic beast, Moron99, 6/26/2005 04:47:19 AM.
"you are either poorly informaed or intentionally deceptive. Nazi policy was to kill 10 civillians in direct retaliation for any German soldier harmed by any armed resistance. If the US behaved as Nazi's, then any IED that harmed 10 US soldiers would immediately result in 100 Iraqis from the nearest town being publicly executed".
No, it's you who are, moronic Moron, quite 'deceptive': are you not able to read the Iraqi news?
Now, my beast, you say: "Nazi policy was to kill 10 civillians in direct retaliation for any German soldier harmed by any armed resistance".
It is, quite simply, not true. The policies of those murdering bastards were different from place to place, and from month to month. Sometime it was 1 to 10; sometime it was 1 to 100; and sometime it was 1 to 1,000, according to place and time.
And precisely THIS links the Nazi bastards to the present American bastards, who do the same: in Fallujah 1, April 2004, you American criminals got a ratio of more than 1 to 100 (four of your disgusting mercenaries had been culled, moronic Moron; but you murdered more than seven hundred people, didn't you?).
And in Fallujah 2, subhuman and disgusting Moron99, you killed more than seven thousand people, didn't you? No use comparing your losses to Iraqi losses: you are just a bunch of genocidal Nazis, you American apes, face it!
Truth Teller,
I'd love to help. My wife would be worried about me, if I went personally, no worry is the wrong word, she was worried when I volunteered for 2.5 months in Northern Ireland.
Somehow, the "resistance" has managed to communicate across the notion that any foreigner in the country for any reason whatsoever (apart from joining the resistance) is a target for having their head chopped off and would be likely to die without heavy protection.
But that still leaves funds or equipment. You could do some fundraising via the internet, or maybe point out what medical supplies you are short of and work out how they might be best sent to you.
"You outnumber them 2,500 to 1 and still want someone to protect you from them."
I'm sorry, Dan, on this I will have to disagree with you. There are people in Iraq who are some of the bravest on earth. Their problem is that they don't realize it.
“Listen…we witnessed crimes in the west area of the country of what the bastards did in Haditha and Al-Qa’im.
Truth,
There are always two sides to every story. To be fair you must listen to both.
"A few days ago, just after dark, the insurgent slime set up an ambush from a hospital in Hadithah. Howdy and I just arrived to provide overwatch for a company sweeping through that area on both sides of the Euphrates river responding to an earlier attack. Suddenly the night sky lit up with a bright flash just as we happened to be turning away from the city. We turned back immediately and saw an enormous mushroom cloud caused by a suicide slimeball slamming an explosive laden vehicle into a Humvee carrying 3 Marines and 1 Navy corpsman.
A firefight erupted. Insurgents hiding in a hospital and nearby palm grove began shooting at the Marines and firing multiple RPG’s. The Marines immediately responded with fire from .50 cal’s and a variety of other weapons. The fight was intense with stuff flying in all directions. We were cleared hot to engage the enemy, but there was no way for us to do that since they were too intermingled with the Marines. Our only contact with anybody on-scene was with a very overwhelmed and understandably shook-up fellow fighting for his life and others. Frustration and anger mounted as we watched the firefight progress. Things were much more complex than can really be described here. The weapons on our attack chopper are devastating - if we were to engage, there was a very high probability that we would kill our own Marines. So we were forced to watch the carnage and screen for additional suicide vehicles bringing more death to the scene.
As the long night progressed, a meched-up reinforcement platoon eventually arrived to extract the 7 wounded and 4 angels – our term for KIA’s - as well as drag the disabled and destroyed vehicles away. We try not to leave anything behind that could be used for trophy’s – certainly not any bodies. While this was going on, the scumbags set the hospital on fire, further endangering the lives of the 40 patients within. Incredibly, the Marines entered the hospital and began clearing it, killing one insurgent and capturing another. Additionally, they rescued all the patients in the wing that was burning."
The URLs for photos from Al Qaim hospital seem to be busted so I'm posting another for the search I used to find them:
http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=qaim+hospital&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&c=news_photos
4 photos dated June 12 show no indication or mention of damage to the hospital. I do not know the whole truth, of course. I wonder if a medical professional in Iraq could simply telephone the hospital and ask what their current condition is.
Italian: "From now on, Stukasdad, be sure that I won't extend any condoleances if one or both of your spawn are blown to very little pieces by the Iraqi resistance. They just deserved it, since they have got an idiotical father."
What has this debate devolved to? Are we that inhuman that we can wish death on a man's children like that? Italian, I realize you may have been angry when you wrote this, but I suggest you re-read what you wrote and consider its ramifications. Throwing around hateful comments like this serves no purpose other than to inflame tensions and make people incapable of absorbing whatever else you may write.
I have been sitting on the sidelines watching this debate, but this statement just went way too far for my liking.
heiko
"I'd love to help."
Thank you very much heiko, it is enough for me to hear these words.
But if you insist I can only point to the needs I really met in my work. We had a society for assisting patients with Ostomy (Colostomy, Iliostomy or Urostomy). There are an appliances used to help those patient take care of their Ostom, mainly Ostomy Rings and Pouches. These appliances are not available now, nither in the hospital nor in the market.
The patient who have Colostomy are mainly those with cancer of the Colon, but others as those with bullets injury to the abdomen may also need colostomy appliences.
If you or any body want to help, you can send these Ostomy appliances to the oncology hospital which in turn supply it them to the patients who need them.
We all the Iraqi,(Arabs and Kurds, Sunnis and Shias)- will appreciate your assistant.
"I was and still anti Saddam but when it comes to choosing between two evils, Saddam is much better than the occupation."
Truth teller,
I have a confession to make.
Because of some things that Najma wrote on her blog when she first started writing and because of the tone of many of your posts or links I thought that you were....., how shall I put this?
Either a go between for Ba'athist's
in Syria and insurgent cells in Iraq or perhaps simply a propaganda mouthpiece for them. Hurria, in this scenario, of course makes a really good spy.
Therefore in that statement that you made(that I quoted), I assumed the first part to be a lie and the second to be just propaganda. But I think perhaps that I have tried and convicted you on the basis of circumstantial evidence, as so many Iraqis do us. For that I apologize.
Strykerdad,
Is he our enemy? Perhaps. Is he Iraq's enemy? I'm not so sure. He might be a true nationalist who resents our presence and sees his country falling apart and doesn't know who to turn to for help and who to trust. I don't know. As much as we do not understand the many layers of Iraq, they do not understand us. If you get a chance, you should pick up Steven Vincents book "In the Red Zone". I don't know if his analysis is accurate or not, but it gives one a different take on things in Iraq.
Unfortunately, the static caused by the obsessive anti-American crowd does not help us understand one another very well. Maybe it would be a good idea to tune them out for awhile.
strykerdad
" If you could be more specific as to the item and place for delivery."
The items are Ostomy appliances which include Ostomy Rings, and Ostomy Pouches, of different sizes.The sizes which were available before are size 45, 57, 70, and 70mm, for both Colostomy and Urostomy, they differ only in the shape of the pouches.
The place of delivery should be to the Oncology and Nuclear Medicine Hospital in Mosul as the Ostomy clinic is hold there. And the patients consult that hospital for the appliances.
The society I mentioned consist of pioneers (4 specialist doctors, 2 nureses, and one paramedic help in registering the cases. We have more than 500 patient registered. all the appliances we recieved was donation from some organizations, mainly from Canada.
At last, something practical that we might be able to do for you folks!
I have a couple of tentative suggestions for folks (including me) interested in helping wth the ostomy supplies problem:
OstomyCareSupply.com ( link ) seems to sell the sort of stuff you need online. I phoned them and they seem willing to ship to Iraq. Tentatively Fedex may be the best US shipper because Fedex reportedly does deliver to civilian addresses in Mosul (although I have no experience with this so can not positively confirm it).
The main problem I see is that the number of different products at OstomyCareSupply.com is HUGE and confusing, and there is a high probability that a person who did not understand what was needed might choose the wrong product.
Truth teller, I urge you to decide if OstomyCareSupply.com can sell what is needed and, if so, to work with us to try to help you.
I talked by phone with a lady pharmacist named Cynthia Hacherl at OstomyCareSupply.com and she says it might be possible for people who want to contribute to simply use ther credit cards to transfer money to OstomyCareSupply.com for payment of anything you want delivered to the ostomy clinic at the Oncology and Nuclear Medicine Hospital in Mosul Iraq, and for you to use this money to order the exact things you need.
Alternatively, if you can tell us the exact things to send we can each try to send what we can.
"Lynette, speaking only for myself, anyone who distributes lies about my nations military at war is my enemy."
WE know they are lies, but does HE? Is it a deliberate effort at dis-information on his part?
If it is then, yes, he would be an enemy combatant.
TJS,
I really think you need to go back and read ALL of my comments to everyone here. Because your comments regarding me seem out of context with what I have been trying to say.
"Lynette really annoys me when she calls him an 'enemy combatant'."
I have not a clue as to who he is or isn't. This is a WAR where anyone could be who they say or not.
"Zarqawi also claimed responsibility for many of the bombs in Mosul. Ever notice how TT never mentions anything negative about him once?"
Yes, I have, and that could be interpreted in different ways.
You may find me annoying, but you strike me as naive.
Strykerdad,
"It is personal for me."
Yes, I know. The admiration I have for our men and women in Iraq is boundless. They are trying to accomplish something that many consider impossible, under the most trying of circumstances. I pray for their safe return.
I don't know who TT is or isn't. But you are right in that he needs to do something constructive instead of continually posting the inflammatory comments.
"If TT truly needs help for his patients, and I can help through means which would insure he is not giving aid and comfort to the enemy, I will gladly help."
I would be interested in this also. Could you let me know who to send money to? Perhaps you could post it here for everyone's information? Thank you.
waldschrat
The Product we used to use are those two types below. Each type have different sizes, the size i dave before are the standard we use with our patients, but any size equall to or approximate to those sizes are OK.
unfortunatly we dont have credit cards, also I cant accept cash from any body. We have enough money but we can't buy what we want.
If you could manage to send these appliances to the ostomy clinic at the Oncology and Nuclear Medicine Hospital in Mosul, Iraq. it is ok with me. BTW the hospital supply these appliances to the patients free of charge. The association we have, is only to organize the work and to take care of the patient, give advice and some medicine and social supports.
The types are:
1- ConvaTec SUR-FIT Natura, SUR-FIT AutoLock and Esteem Synergy Two-Piece Ostomy Systems.
2- ConvaTec Active Life One-Piece Ostomy Systems.
We have about 500 patients registered, but only about 200 pat. who actually consult us regularly asking for the appliances.
The Canadian Organization which send Ostomy appiances to the Mosul Ostomy Association as a help, was The International Ostomy association (IOA). They have a biannual Ostomy International Magazine. Maria Siegl was the Editor of this magazine at 1996, she visited Mosul to attend one of the meeting held here celebrating the World Ostomy Day.
Unfortunatly Maria Siegle died later on.
In Ostomy International Magazine Issue 1, 1997 volume 19, N0.1, page 13, she wrote two pages about the Ostomy Unit in Mosul.
The ConvaTec have aan address at the Internet which is http://www.convatec.com
Strykeraunt,
I left a messange
, but don't know if it will help, as he does not know me.
A daughter of one of the people I work with had a colonectomy. She was 20 at the time. It was not easy for her to deal with.
Oh for heavens sake! I turned all blue again! Anybody have a clue as to what I am doing wrong when I post those links? If you click on any of the blue you will find the site.
strykeraunt
Welcome back.
The appliances we need are in large amount, we have over 200 patients receive these appliances from the Ostomy Unit in Oncology and Nuclear Medicine Hospital. Every patient used to received 5 rings and 30 pouches a month.
All the medical appliances are only imported through the Ministry Of Health. At the early days after the occupations, the MOH prepared a printed form distributed to every hospital to list their needs. They divided the items into 3 categories
Urgent, intermediate and not urgent. They suppose to supply the urgent items within 2 weeks. The Ostomy appliances are in the urgent list, now it is more than 2 years, we still didn't received them.
In addition, in terms of prioriy, the more important the Cytotoxic Drugs used to treat cancer patients, are not available, to be more specific, from about 50 items, only 13 are available at present. there was no time when a patient needs certain combination oe drugs for treatment and he find all the items written to him in the hospital. The prices of these drugs are very expensive even for the rich people.
Strykeraunt,
Yes, TT's deliberate attack on people who sincerely wanted to help was, as far as I was concerned, totally uncalled for.
Which is why I was so angry.
You and Strykerdad are more familiar with what procedures the military has in place for any such aid. I will defer to your judgement. I do not think that just trying to send aid through Fedex or some other such method would be a safe way to go. Especially as TT is not someone I can honestly trust.
"In any case, the events of 1990-91 were over and done with, and had become ancient history by 2003. "
Hurria,
Than, of course, anything the U.S. has done before 2003 is also ancient history. Right?
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